Thursday, December 2, 2010

Primordial Assumptions and Non-Falsifiable Objections

Greetings,

It is common to make several assumptions when discussing philosophical matters-- whether one's interest is ontological, epistemological, formally logical, or some other field, primordial assumptions are a key underlying element. These assumptions are fundamental to our experience of the world, and thus tend not to be challenged further unless they are the specific matter of inquiry, because to do so would drastically shift the inquiry and possibly send a skeptic down a "rabbit hole" (as I call them) where an unceasing flurry of questions, each causing another question, that result in a completely unproductive endeavor with all participants exhausted and discouraged. Examples I have seen fellow discussants perform in conversations include challenging the law of noncontradiction, denying the legitimacy of free will, and proposing that everything "is a dream" while discussing other topics. It is, of course, completely legitimate to discuss these issues when they are the focus or topic of conversation. However, when one discusses an argument for the existence of God or the nature of animal ethics, challenging a core assumption by claiming that everything is just a dream seems both counterproductive and, perhaps, ad hoc, as the claims tend not to be considered legitimate outside of the specific conversation. I would pay money to see what would happen if you commit perjury by stating that you didn't see a crime, and later deny that you committed perjury by asserting that the law of noncontradiction is illegitimate.

On the other hand, we want our arguments to be falsifiable, and thus to be able to deal with objections. If I argue that humans do not have ethical obligations to animals because animals do not have free will, but I imply that humans do have ethical obligations to each other (because they have free will), it seems relevant to bring the question of fatalism into the picture. And yet, here we seem to have a quandary: if free will does not exist, we cannot concede the argument as being valid or invalid on the basis of the validity of the argument (rather, one was compelled to evaluate the argument in the matter one evaluated it, regardless of the ontological validity of the argument). As such, we lose our capacity to evaluate the argument. It would seem that the individual who challenges free will thus cannot meet the standard of falsifiability-- their argument cannot be falsified if there is no free will, because there is no one to falsify it. However, the fatalism objection seems both coherent and relevant. A topic can become controversial when it is not falsifiable; how much more difficult a topic becomes when one of its most coherent objections is not falsifiable!

What tactic should we take when we a legitimate topic has a non-falsifiable objection thrust at it? Do we deny the legitimacy of the objection, or treat it with all seriousness? Do we disregard it as sophistry, or do we attempt to account for it? It's a topic of both practical and theoretical interest to me, and I look forward to your feedback.

EDIT: On a completely unrelated note, here's a rather disturbing document you should probably see, about one of our favorite meeting locations...
http://ga.state.gegov.com/_templates/87/Food/_report_full.cfm?fsimID=1441174&domainID=87&rtype=food

4 comments:

Andrea Lowry said...

Thank you, Zach. Most especially appreciated is the very last part about our dear Landmark....

Charles Manson said...

What Do you mean by free? you can come into my cell and kick me, spit on me, brake my ribs, make me bleed, and then ask me what it meeans to be free or love or to care. I still will not know. In my mind I live. I'm like the pope times a million because of my love for my self. Because of that, I love the air, trees, water, and animals. Yall are the puppets, the haters. If I pay you enough you will dance. If i look good enough you will want to marry me. While your mom was kissing you good night I was in the gutter fighting off people that wanted to kill me. While you were in school with new shoes, my mother gave me milk money after her visit from a strange man. I used that money for my own love. I found other people and set them free. See, you dont know that your a puppet. You were meant to evaluate that argument on its validity because someone told you to. But see, the Truth is that you would have evaluated it anyways. Someone has theyre hand on your mind already. They are telling you the words out of your mouth. You may get mad, but thats the hand in your head. Break out of that. Words are just words. actions are what you do, words are what you wish you could do.

Zach Sherwin said...

Thanks, Charles Manson, for the perfect example of what this post is about!

I set the stage for a topic, discussion, with the implicit argument that we can reach a conclusion rationally. Charles' objection: your fundamental logic is already flawed; you cannot see Truth (note the capital "T"), and someone has already manipulated your mind. The problem is that his objection is not falsifiable by the recipient of the objection-- any proof that we gave as a counterpoint would be moot, if we are already irrational and capable of reason. If we are incapable of making legitimate arguments, we cannot give a legitimate argument for or against that position.

So, what do we do with Charles? Do we ignore his non-falsifiable objection? Do we treat it with seriousness? Do we encourage him to explain further, thus putting the legitimacy of our position at his own evaluation? It's an interesting quandary, both theoretically and practically.

R.J. Marvin said...

Your right Zach, Mr. Manson does seem to represent the typical non-falsifiable argument that, when brought up during a philosophical conversation, becomes awkward and dampens the adventurous philosophical spirit that accompanies good debates. I've found that these types of comments are typical of most people. In fact, it is quite incapable and very human to live a life full of paradoxes and illegitimate arguments. I feel that one of the best things to do (and this may be a non-falsifiable argument here) when one comes into contact with a person like the infamous Mr. Manson is to step aside from the situation and evaluate both positions. If both positions are irreconcilable, perhaps the whole argument is absurd. For example, If one is very liberal, watch fox news all day. Eventually one will realize the entire political polarization is kinda petty. This will present the befuddled with two options: 1 To lose oneself in the mystic of it all and drop analytic philosophy altogether and become and existentialist or 2. Take one's ego down a notch or two and realize many philosophical problems are too deep to solve anyways (like the analytic philosopher video you recently posted) and go on to something else. its interesting to note that many great artists have mental disorders that, through their irrationability, are impressive and extremely creative. So perhaps Mr. Manson is some strange macabre metaphysical artist. A man obsessed with his struggle against society to create and act upon his gruesome and grisly ideas. Take a look at this link: http://www.healthtree.com/articles/schizophrenia/schizophrenic-art-artists/